مصاحبه آقای بیل گیتس با Ellen

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I am so happy to have you here.

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This is the first time
having you on, so thanks.

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So I know you were nervous
about the entrance.

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I think people feel like
they’re supposed to dance.

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And I was really
surprised because I

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was here earlier today
for your rehearsal

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and then you abandoned it.

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But we should at least
show them the rehearsal

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because it was really good.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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[LAUGHING]

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[CHEERING]

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It was good.

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[APPLAUSE]

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Your daughter is looking
at you like, I’ve never

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seen you dance like that.

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Hi.

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So the last time
we saw each other

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it was at the White House.

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We both were receiving
the Medal of Freedom.

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And that was quite
a day, wasn’t it?

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That was an amazing group.

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Yeah.

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Really, really fun.

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So you are here with your
daughter who is 21, right?

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And you were 21 when you
became a billionaire.

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Is that right?

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Almost, yep.

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All right, so around that age.

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You were like the youngest
person to become a billionaire,

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is that right?

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Yeah, in terms of earning
it on my own, yeah.

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Right.

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OK.

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Which is the most
important thing.

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So when you were a kid,
did you care about money?

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Or you just cared
about technology

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and it just happened?

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Mostly I loved software.

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I do remember at
the private school

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I went to there were other kids
whose families were better off.

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Like they had a
Porsche or something.

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But it wasn’t that
big of a deal.

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My thing was that I just
loved doing software.

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I loved hiring people.

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And I was stunned when it
ended up being so valuable.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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It surprised you?

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Yeah.

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Because I always had
to be careful that we

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wouldn’t hire too many people.

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I was always worried
because people

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who worked for me were older
than me and they had kids.

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And I always thought well
what if we don’t get paid.

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Will I be able to
meet the payroll?

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So I was always
very conservative

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about the finances.

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And then when we did
go public, what was I?

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30, by then.

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Then I was kind of stunned
at what it multiplied out to.

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Right.

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So, when you became
a billionaire,

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at what point did
you start relaxing?

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Were you still nervous when
you became a billionaire?

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Like I got to watch this?

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Well I always wanted to have
enough money in the bank

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so that even if our customers
didn’t pay us for a year,

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we could still keep paying
everybody and do the R&D.

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So I’d still be viewed
as conservative.

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I don’t have that many things
that are extravagant taste

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so it didn’t change too much.

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So nothing really changed.

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So you didn’t say, oh I’m
going to buy a Porsche.

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I did.

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That I did.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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You did.

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All right.

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Yeah, that was an indulgence.

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And then eventually, for
my travel, I got a plane.

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Which is a huge indulgence.

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So those are my two.

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Well not really, because
you travel all the time.

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So that’s important
that you have a plane.

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So you have a Porsche and
a plane and that’s it?

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Well, in terms of
crazy things, yeah.

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Yeah.

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There’s not like any
like wild– like you

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didn’t build like an
aquarium with sharks in it

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or something like that?

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We have a trampoline
room in our house.

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Oh wow.

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The kids like that.

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Indoor trampoline.

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I recommend it.

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Just one giant trampoline.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it’s a room with
a very high ceiling.

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Well yeah, I hope.

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That would be
cruel if you didn’t

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put a high ceiling in there.

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Go on kids.

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All right, so let’s
talk about this.

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So you already put $40
billion of your own money

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into your foundation.

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Yep.

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$40 billion.

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And you’ve kind of
encouraged other billionaires

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to do this as well.

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Because it really is
kind of up to the people

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to fix the problems in the
world, it seems, right?

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So what is your main
focus right now?

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My wife Melinda and I picked
global health as our big thing.

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The fact that still we
have five million kids

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who die under the age of five.

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Now it was over
10 million when we

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got started so there’s been
huge progress over the last 18

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years.

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So things like
malaria, diarrhea.

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Coming up with new
drugs and vaccines

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and getting them out to
all the kids in the world.

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That’s our main thing.

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Our second biggest
thing is all in the US,

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which is trying to help improve
the education system here.

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Yeah.

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[APPLAUSE]

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And how do you do that?

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I always think you
get what you pay for.

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So if you don’t pay teachers,
because most teachers are

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paying out of their own pocket
to take care of these students.

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So how do you do that?

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Well, there are some
really phenomenal teachers.

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And so the dream is that
you could take that top 10%

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and have them help the others
to get best practices, the best

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teaching ideas to spread
all over the country.

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We’re listening to you,
obviously $40 billion

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does a lot.

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And there are other
people that are helping.

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But what can we do?

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What is the best thing that
you could say that just one

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person can do to help?

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Well particularly with
schools, the ability

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to go to the local public
school or charter school

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and engage with the
kids, mentor kids,

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talk about the kind
of work you do.

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There’s huge
opportunities there.

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With the challenges, say
in Africa, part of it

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is people’s voice.

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There’s a real question
now whether the US takes

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this less than 1% of our budget
that saves tens of millions

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of lives and whether we don’t
prioritize continuing that.

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So it’s a hot debate in terms
of is it good for America

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to be generous and help
the rest of the world

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live a healthy life.

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Well, I mean the fact that
you’re helping so many people

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all around the world.

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Because that, to me,
is what when you have

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that kind of money, it’s for.

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That’s the best thing
you can do actually.

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You’re making such
a huge difference.

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I’m glad you’re a billionaire.

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[APPLAUSE]

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All right, you can learn more
about the Bill and Melinda