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and dragging a protester across
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the ground.
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Amnesty international warning we
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could see more of this in the
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coming hours and days.
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Let’s go to Selena Wang at a
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protest in beijing.
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>> Reporter: I’m in the middle
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of the protest happening in
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beijing.
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It’s just past 1:00 A.M.
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There’s a crowd of young people
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that have gathered to protest
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the covid measures.
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They have been chanting, no to
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covid tests, yes to freedom.
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This is where the center of the
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covid outbreak is in beijing,
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where they urged all residents
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to stay at home.
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It’s really unprecedented we are
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seeing a large crowd of people
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here.
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A lot of the folks as well, you
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can see they are holding white
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pieces of paper.
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This is a symbol of
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anti-censorship.
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We saw protests in Shanghai,
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protesters were holding those
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white pieces of paper.
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Around here, there are many
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foreign embassies, including the
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American embassy over there.
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This protest has been going on
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for several hours.
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It’s very late.
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You can see the policemen is
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telling me to move back a little
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bit.
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There’s a large police presence
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here.
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On this row, it’s peaceful.
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You can hear cheering, chanting.
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Cars are driving by frequently.
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They are honking in solidarity.
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Folks don’t look like they are
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going anywhere.
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>> Thank you very much.
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>>> Let’s bring in Fareed
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zakaria.
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Great to see you.
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You know this all too well,
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these displays of defiance are
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rarely tolerated by communist
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leadership in China.
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They ruthlessly crack down on
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dissent.
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They are allowing folks like
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Selena to do a brief live
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report.
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What do you make of this?
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Are the Chinese just keeping
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this contained as much as
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possible and allowing it until
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it goes away?
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What do you think?
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>> It’s amazing what we are
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witnessing and the reporting has
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been amazing.
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China has often allowed
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protests.
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People have the mistaken
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impression they allow no
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protests.
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There are lots of protests,
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always on very specific local
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issues.
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Food shortage or local
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corruption, something like that.
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What is extraordinary about this
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one is that they are allowing
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protests in which people are
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talking more generally about
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communist party rule, as you
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say, no to covid lockdowns, yes
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to freedom.
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There have been some Shanghai
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protesters who said XI should
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resign.
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That’s completely unusual.
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It’s unprecedented.
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For it to be happening in
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Shanghai at the university, the
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university that XI went to when
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he got his chemical engineering
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degree in the ’70s, that’s what
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makes this unusual.
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They are almost certainly going
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to crack down over time.
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They are unlikely to allow this
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to spread.
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But the very fact that it’s
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happening should remind us that
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China is not just this big box
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out there.
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There are real live people in
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there who have aspirations and
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ideas and ideals.
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They are getting more and more
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educated.
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One of the things XI has to deal
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with with the covid lockdown is
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one thing when you have a herd
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of peasants.
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You are talking about college
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educated people who are defying
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the covid lockdown.
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>> Right.
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I have to ask you, does this
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pose any threat or challenge
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whatsoever to XI?
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What about the covid lockdown
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policy, this extreme policy they
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have had, could that be coming
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to an end?
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Might the Chinese government
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relent?
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>> In the past, they have course
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corrected when they have faced
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this kind of public outcry.
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It’s a crazy policy.
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The reason they have it, just so
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people understand, is they are
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unwilling to use mrna vaccines
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to vaccinate their population
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because they are western
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vaccines.
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They want to create their own.
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They have been trying,
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essentially reverse engineering
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the western vaccines.
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They have not been able to do
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so.
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It’s a kind of extreme version
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of vaccine nationalism.
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They are hoping they will soon
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have that and they will be able
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to — we know they can vaccinate
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people really fast in China.
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So far, they haven’t been able
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to.
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As to the longer term, it’s hard
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to imagine that this would —
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the commuist party is so
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entrenched.
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I would suspect what is more
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likely is that they will race to
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get these vaccines.
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They will be able to open up.
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We will — we will look at this
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as a reminder how dictatorships
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work.
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>> No question about it.
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Dr. Fauci, who is on some of the
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morning talk shows here in the
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U.S., was essentially saying
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what you just said.
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The Chinese have been resistant
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to allowing these more effective
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vaccines to come in from outside
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of China.
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They could have gotten a better
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handle on things had they done
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that.
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Fauci was talking about how
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politics needs to be kept out of
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the investigations into
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covid’s
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origins which has been
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controversial from time to time.
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Let’s listen to this.
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>> Look at the anti-china
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approach that clearly the trump
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administration had right from
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the very beginning.
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And the accusing nature.
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The Chinese will say, we will
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not talk to you about it, which
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is not correct.
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>> They are not talking to the
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Biden administration about it
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either.
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>> Exactly.
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I think that horse is out of the
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barn.
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They are suspicious of anybody
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trying to accuse them.
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We need to have an open dialogue
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with their scientists and our
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scientists.
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Keep the politics out of it.
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Let the scientists — these are
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scientists we have known for
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decades.
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We have collaborated with them.
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>> He was saying, we have keep
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our minds open to the
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possibility that there was a
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leak at the lab.
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Fauci went on to say that the
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evidence all indicates that this
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was a human to animal leap that
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took place when it came to
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covid’s origins.
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What did you make of the
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comments?
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>> I think he is right.
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As far as we know, the
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proceedings of a national
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academy of science has put out a
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report on November 10th saying
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the most likely transmission is,
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as you said, a wild market to
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human.
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There’s a possibility it could
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have been from the Wuhan lab.
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We will never know, because the
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Chinese are never going to
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cooperate to the extent that you
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would need them to to do a kind
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of genetic tracing, almost
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detective work, to find out
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what’s happening.
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Fauci is right it was probably
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spooked by the trump people
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really trying to use it.
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It got their backs up.
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As a result, they are super
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suspicious and nationalistic
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about it.
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We have a problem here.
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We need a — this is not the
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last time something like this
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happens.
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We need a process by which
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scientists can collaborate and
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give us the best scientific
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conclusion.
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Not a political conclusion, but
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a scientific conclusion.
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>> Right.
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Domestic politics got way out of
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control when it came to
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containing covid and global
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politics as well.
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Let’s talk about Ukraine very
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quickly.
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Russia targeting civilian
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infrastructure there.
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Cutting off the heat, trying to
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ratchet up the cruelty and
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mystery.
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I suppose — is this all Putin
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has left to try to win this war?
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>> You are exactly right.
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It’s a very powerful, brutal
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weapon.
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Putin has decided he can’t beat
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the Ukrainian army.
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So he is going to take the war
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to Ukraine’s civilians.
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What he is doing is
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unprecedented.
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We have not seen this since
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World War II, I think.
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Because this is the deliberate
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targeting of civilians.
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Cutting off their energy,
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cutting off their heat, their
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light, bombing sewage
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facilities, trying to plunge the
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entire country into darkness and
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cold.
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This needs to be taken up.
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It strikes me there should be
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another round of sanctions
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related to this to make clear
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that Putin can’t get away with
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this.
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This is the most brutal kind of
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war against innocent men, women
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and children.
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He is not fighting the Ukrainian
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soldiers, because he is not
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winning there.
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What he is doing is fighting
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men, women and children.
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>> That’s right.
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He is inflicting unspeakable
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cruelty upon the civilian
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population there because he
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can’t get what he wants, which