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Billy eilish is the first artist born

this Century to hit number one in the

Billboard charts from signing a record

deal at 14 she’s gone on to become an

era defining star

along the way she’s picked up seven

Grammys two breaths become the youngest

star to headline Coachella and

Glastonbury and won an Oscar

she’s grown up online in the public days

connecting her to a global digital

generation

performing to sell out Arenas with her

songwriter brother Phineas finis also

joined by her environmentalist parents

on tour

she’s also got over a hundred million

followers across social media making her

one of the most influential young stars

of her generation and this is the final

night of her World Tour and I’ve come to

have a chat with her

Billy eilish welcome to BBC 100 women

thank you so much for doing this thank

you for having me how you doing I’m

doing very well so I’m gonna read you a

couple of descriptions of you in the

press okay go for it an icon

the hope for pop music’s future

a weird but important feminist oh what

I’ve seen okay how would you describe

yourself

oh my God I have no idea I

I don’t know I feel like I I might have

known how to answer that question like a

couple years ago

I don’t know anymore because I don’t

look at myself

in that way I don’t look at myself like

I’m something to explain you know what I

mean yeah I just I just exist you know

what I’m saying I’m just a person I’m

just existing and doing my part in life

you said a couple of years ago that you

don’t think there are many headlining

opportunities for for women and then

look at you the younger person to

headline Glastonbury I know what do you

think has changed for women in that time

or has anything changed I think a lot

has changed I think like we’re in such a

I mean I’m just in awe of the time we’re

in right now because of women are just

like at the top right now I mean top of

all the charts it’s women women I mean

it’s like the most incredible thing for

me to see there was a specific period of

time where I was just like in this like

this like pit of just like hopelessness

about yeah myself because I didn’t have

much to look up to in terms of girls

like me

being in that you know looked at taken

seriously in that in that regard it’s

just like I I remember just like crying

in my bed

because I was I was thinking about the

kind of show that I would want to put on

and I I would just feel so like hopeless

because I was like I’m a girl and so I’m

never I’m never gonna be able to have a

show like that I’m never going to be

able to

just be

you know free up there and wild and like

not you know not have this and this

going on and like you know perform in

this way and be more physical and be

more be more about the performance and

less about the

I don’t the little things and I just I

just felt like that would never happen

because it hadn’t really happened just

behind those windows we’ve got people

camped out they were here last night

when we popped here I was just and they

were having so much fun like listening

to your music getting to know each other

and stuff do you feel the kind of

pressure of being that role model for so

many young women with this huge platform

that you have no I don’t feel pressure I

feel I feel so stoked about it I feel so

excited about it and I don’t even feel

like

oh I’m a role model let me do this in

this I just feel like

I just feel like and truly in love with

him in love with him and it’s like you

don’t even

when you’re in love with someone you

don’t think about how you might be

affecting them because they’re affecting

you so much and that’s kind of how I

feel about them I’m like

I just I don’t know I’ve just like over

time and like with different experiences

and relationships I’ve just might been

like felt more and more

like committed to them you know what I

mean it’s like it’s like I feel like I’m

like in a relationship with them so any

friendship or relationship romantic

whatever they’re like a one of the first

things I say I’m like just so you know

you’re getting me but you’re also

getting them that’s like what I do you

say that too yeah just FYI they come

first

so you know if you want to get with me

you got to get with my fans

four days

sleeping for four days and for this tour

we’ve kept over 300 hours close to 400

hours this is before you just sent me in

a crown

um and then I’ve got her playing cards

on my forearms which are the Joker and

the King

and then I’ve got a devil and an angel

for all the good guys go to hell I can’t

even explain it she’s just meant so much

to me since the beginning since she was

so young the way that she

so open about our emotions and like it

lets everybody else feel like it’s okay

to feel that way like it’s it’s Unique

and it’s very different like just to

speak about love songs as much

she speaks more about personal issues I

hope you find it’s really interesting

body image environment yeah

yeah sure yeah just like everything

pretty much everything that matters yeah

growing up in the public eye is it is a

very

bruising experience and it’s really hard

to develop and change for a lot of

reasons and so it was it was hard for me

and I was I just didn’t really know what

to to do and so I was just

grasping at straws and like

yeah just like things

things were

I just didn’t know what I was doing I

mean I just had such severe uh imposter

syndrome I’ve had that so many times in

my life and really just like some parts

of last year and the year before just

like

was just in a downward spiral of

imposter syndrome and just grasping it

whatever I could to make me feel like

myself again but I didn’t know when and

when you say imposter syndrome I mean

feeling that you don’t deserve the

success more just like

well you know when you see yourself in

the public eye

especially after me I’m an internet kid

like I see I saw everybody else in the

public eye when they were and then

suddenly it’s me and I’m like I’m on the

internet just much as just as much as

anybody else is

but then it’s like oh I’m part of the

discussion now instead of

just in the comments which is like a

very strange little thing and when you

see yourself and your name

everywhere it’s really hard to know who

the hell you are and also just like what

you like and don’t like because you kind

of especially because I got I got known

as a thing

when I was

15. mainly that was when that was when

it kind of started really even though I

started at 13 like 15 was when people

decided that that was who I was

so it’s really hard to change and grow

and grow up and mature and like become a

human

when people decided that you were one

thing

because then they think about you they

think that that’s you forever I mean it

absolutely drives me insane that you can

look up Billy eilish And

videos that come up or things I said

when I was 15. like almost almost

nothing I said before

two months ago I still believe so

so it’s like

I think I was like when you think about

your identity you you’d like sort of

amalgamating masculine and feminine do

you think about yourself like that still

in yeah I mean I feel the most powerful

when I feel masculine

um in my life and I

I

also can find power and in femininity

it’s kind of a balance of both but I I

what do you mean by masculine I don’t

know I like

depending on how I walk and stand in my

clothes and

my face and my jewelry and my fingers

and my like

every just everything that I everything

that I am day to day like I feel

I like to feel more more masculine than

feminine it just makes me feel better

which I struggled with for a long time

because I wanted to feel feminine and

like it but I just didn’t really and so

um

but then it’s like finding moments where

you can have that

and it feels good still you know like

right now I’m wearing a tighter shirt

and I’m wearing a more low-cut shirt and

like you know the older me would have

been like oh please don’t but I like it

it makes me feel good now and it’s just

the balance of

the two you know

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in your documentary or apple documentary

there was a lovely moment in there where

Katy Perry pulls you to the side and she

says you know if you ever need someone

to have a chat with just give me a call

because it’s about to get crazy in the

next few years have you taken her off

for me no I never called her I should

call her up I mean but it’s so funny

thinking about that now because at the

time I just didn’t believe her like I

just didn’t well I just didn’t think it

would keep going you know I mean I think

that it’s really hard to see your future

like that you know when when your future

is so um

kind of in the hands of not just you

um

because I would hear that a lot I would

hear and not only is it hard to believe

but it’s hard to

process you know and like know what the

hell to do at all and when somebody says

like

you know it’s about to get crazy it’s

about uh crazy yeah yeah it’s yeah it

was already so crazy I couldn’t imagine

it being crazier and also I was just

like

you just can’t possibly imagine it’s

like you know trying to explain a color

that doesn’t exist you just you don’t

know you don’t know

my final question is you know this theme

for this year’s 100 women is progress as

a woman in music has there been progress

I think so I think there’s been a lot of

progress I feel

I feel you know I was excited with the

idea of this being about progress

because

I feel that there has been a lot and

there’s been a lot of

back meddling it also you know

with more like the world and the laws

and all of that but

I think the law is like yeah you know

we’re going back in time in certain

areas which makes me want to throw up

but I do I do think there has been a lot

of progress and again the way that women

have been just like absolutely towering

over everyone in this industry right now

is so exciting to me and it just makes

me feel really really hopeful and

inspired and and it’s not only women

doing one thing it’s women doing all

kinds of different things and looking

different and acting different and

having different styles and different

just like I just love it so much there’s

such a range right now and it’s so nice

to see and it’s just so

it’s just refreshing I don’t know it’s

new it’s never been like that and it’s

just really

it’s exciting and it’s really cool to be

a part of it so be hopeful I’m hopeful

very helpful thank you so much for

giving us so much of your time of course

thanks for having me

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