good evening from the health education
campus of case western reserve
university and the cleveland clinic i'm
chris wallace of fox news and i welcome
you to the first of the 2020
presidential debates
between president donald j trump and
former vice president joe biden
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the republican nominee
president trump and the democratic
nominee
vice president biden
there you go
gentlemen a lot of people have been
waiting for
this night so let's get going our first
subject is the supreme court
president trump you nominated amy coney
barrett over the weekend
to succeed the late ruth bader ginsburg
on the court you say the constitution is
clear about your obligation
and the senate's to consider a nominee
to the court
vice president biden you say that this
is an effort by the president and
republicans
to jam through an appointment and what
you call
an abuse of power my first question to
both of you tonight
why are you right in the argument you
make
and your opponent wrong and where do you
think
a justice barrett would take the court
president trump in this first segment
you go first two minutes
thank you very much chris i will tell
you very simply we won the election
elections have consequences we have the
senate
we have the white house and we have a
phenomenal
nominee respected by all top top
academic good in every way good in every
way
in fact some of her biggest endorsers
are very liberal people from notre dame
and other places so i think she's going
to be fantastic we have plenty of time
even if we did it after the election
itself i have a lot of time after the
election as you know
so i think that she will be outstanding
she's going to be
as good as anybody that has served on
that court we really feel that
we have a professor at notre dame highly
respected by all said she's the single
greatest
student he's ever had he's been a
professor for a long time at a great
school
and we just we won the election and
therefore we have the right
to choose her and very few people
knowingly
would say otherwise and by the way the
democrats they wouldn't even think about
not doing it if they had the only
difference is they'd try and do it
faster
there's no way they would give it up
they had merit garland
but the problem is they didn't have the
election so they were stopped
and probably that would happen in
reverse also definitely would happen in
reverse
so we won the election and we have the
right to do it chris
president trump thank you um same
question to you vice president biden you
have two minutes
well first of all um thank you for doing
this and
looking forward to this mr president i
uh
the american people have a right to have
a say in who the supreme court nominee
is
and that say occurs when they vote for a
united states senators
and when they vote for the president
united states
they're not going to get that chance now
because we're in the middle of an
election already
election has already started tens of
thousands of people have already voted
and so the thing that should happen is
we should wait
we should wait and see what the outcome
of this election is because that's the
only way the american people get to
express
their view is by who they elect as
president and who they elect as vice
president
now what's at stake here is the
president's made it clear
he wants to get rid of the affordable
care act he's been running on that
he ran on that and he's been governing
on that
he's in the supreme court right now
trying to get rid of
the the affordable care act which uh
will strip
20 million people from having
insurance health insurance now if if
they if it goes into court
and and uh the justice and i have
nothing i'm not opposed to the justices
but she seems like a very fine person
but she's written before she went in the
bench which is her right
that she thinks that the affordable care
act is not constitutional
the other thing is on the court and if
if it's struck down what happens
women's rights are fundamentally changed
once again
a woman could be helped pay more money
because she has a pre-existing condition
of pregnancy
were able to they were able to charge a
woman more for the same exact procedure
a man did
gets and that ended when we in fact
passed the affordable care act
and there's a hundred million people
have pre-existing conditions
and they'll be taken away as well those
pre-existing conditions the
insurance companies are going to love
this and so it's just not appropriate
to do this before this election if he
wins
the election and the senate is democrat
a republican
then he goes forward if not we should
wait until february
there aren't a hundred million people
with pre-existing conditions
as far as the say is concerned the
people already had their say
they okay justice ginsburg said very
powerfully very strongly
at some point ten years ago or so
she said a president and the senate is
elected for a period of time but a
president is elected for four years
we're not elected for three years i'm
not elected for three years
so we have the senate we have a
president that's elected to the next
during that period of time
during that period of time we have an
opening
i'm not elected for three years i'm
elected for four years
and 100 million people jill the hundred
million people is totally wrong i don't
know where you got that number
the bigger problem that you have is that
you're going to
extinguish 180 million people with their
private health care that they're very
simply not true well you're saying
you're going to socialism
yes i agree go ahead vice president
number one uh
he he knows that uh what i proposed what
i proposed is that uh
we expand obamacare and we increase it
we do not
wipe any and one of the big debates we
had with 23
of my colleagues trying to win the
nomination that i won
were saying that biden wanted to allow
people to have private insurance still
they can they do they will under my
proposal not what you've said right and
it's not what that party is saying that
is simply
the party doesn't say your party wants
to go socialist
party is socialist right now i am and
they're gonna dominate you joe you know
that
i am the democratic party right now the
platform of the democratic party is what
i
in fact approved of what i approved of
now here's the deal the deal is that
it's going to wipe out
pre-existing conditions and by the way
the 20 the 200 million
the 200 000 people that have died on his
watch
there how many of those and have
survived well there's seven million
people that contracted covet
what does it mean for them going forward
if you strike down
the affordable care act joe you've had
308
000 military people dying because you
couldn't provide them proper health care
in the military so don't tell me i'm
happy to talk about that and if you were
here you wouldn't be 200 it would be 2
million people
because you were very late on the draw
you didn't want me to ban china
which was heavily infected you didn't
want me to ban all right
gentlemen which was heavily presidential
you would have been much later
mr president talking about two
we are going to talk about covet in the
next segment but go ahead
let me finish the point is that the
president also
is opposed to roe v wade that's on the
ballot as well
in the court in the court and so that's
also at stake
right now and so the election is all you
don't know it's on the ballot
why is it in the ballot because
it's not on the ballot it's on the
ballot in the court in the
there's nothing happening there donald
you don't know
her view on roe v wade i don't know
well all right let's all right let's
talk
we got a lot to unpack here gentlemen we
got a lot of time so uh
on health care and then we'll come back
to roe v wade
all right mr president the supreme court
will hear
a case a week after the election in
which the trump administration along
with 18
state attorneys general are seeking to
overturn
that's right obamacare to end obamacare
you have spent the last year because
they want to give
good health if i may ask my question sir
good health care
over uh the last four years you have
promised
to repeal and replace obamacare but you
have never in these four years
come up with a plan a comprehensive plan
to replace obamacare of course they have
well i'll get rid of the individual i'm
going to give you excuse me
i got rid of the individual mandate
which was a big joke
that is absolutely a big thing that was
the worst part of obamacare
chris yeah that was the worst part about
let me ask my question well i'll ask joe
individual mandate was the most
unpopular aspect
and i would like you to let me ask my
question and then you can answer it
you in the course of these four years
have never come up with a comprehensive
plan
to replace obamacare and
just this last thursday you signed a
largely symbolic executive order to
protect people
with pre-existing conditions five days
before this debate
so my question sir is what is the trump
health care plan
well first of all i guess i'm debating
you not him but that's okay i'm not
surprised let me just tell you something
that
there's nothing symbolic i'm cutting
drug prices i'm going with favorite
nations which no president has the
courage to do because you're going
against big pharma
drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90
you could have done it during your 47
year period in government but you didn't
do it
nobody's done it so we're cutting health
care what about all of the things that
we've done
yes i'll give you an example insulin
it's going to it was destroying families
destroying people the cost
i'm getting it for so cheap it's like
water you want to know the truth so
cheap
take a look at all of the drugs that
what we're doing prescription drug
prices
we're going to allow our governors now
to go to other countries to buy drugs
because
they pay just a tiny fraction discussion
sir you'll be happy i'm about to pick up
on one of your points
to ask the vice president which is he
points out that you would like to add a
public option to obamacare and the
argument that he makes and other
republicans make
is that that is going to end private
insurance it is and well
if i start asking you the question uh it
will party says by the way it will
end private insurance and create a
government takeover of healthcare it
does not it's only for those people who
are so
poor they qualify for medicaid
they can get that free in most states
except governors who want to deny
people or poor medicaid anyone who
qualifies for medicare would
mean medicaid would automatically be
enrolled
in the public option the vast majority
of the american people would still
not be in that option number one so you
agree
with bernie sanders far left on the
manifesto
the fact of the matter is i beat bernie
sanders not very much
i've beat him a whole hell of a lot i'm
here i'm here standing facing you
would have left two days early you would
have lost every price oh he knows how to
super tuesday you got to look very
little here's the deal i got very luck
gaming
very lucky tonight as well and tonight
i'm going to make sure
because here's the deal here's the deal
the fact is that everything he's saying
so far is simply a lie
i'm not here to call out his lies
everybody knows he's a liar but you
i just want him to tell you i i i i want
to make sure
you did last in your class tonight first
of all
i want to make sure president can you
let him finish sir he doesn't know how
to do that
he has he's you know christ you picked
to be surprised
the wrong guy the wrong night at the
wrong time listen you agreed with
bernie sanders
there is no manifesto number let him
speak mr number two
he just lost the left number two i i you
just lost the left
you agreed with bernie sanders on a plan
absolutely
socialized medicine mr president tell
you what he is not
for any help for people needing health
care
because his because he in fact already
has cost 10 million people their health
care that they had from their employers
because of his recession number one
number two
there are 20 million people getting
health care through obamacare now
that he wants to take it away he won't
ever look in eye and say that's what he
wants to do
take it away
if you're both speaking at the same time
and it's too expensive let the president
go ahead sir obamacare is no good we
made it better and i had a choice to
make very early on
we took away the individual mandate we
guarantee pre-existing conditions but
took away the individual mandate
listen this is the way it is and that
destroyed
that they shouldn't even call it
obamacare then i had a choice to make do
i let my people run it really well
or badly if i run it badly they'll
probably blame him but they'll blame me
but more importantly i want to help
people
okay i said you got to run it so well
that's amazing and i just had a meeting
with them they said the problem is no
matter how well
you run obamacare it's a disaster it's
too expensive
premiums are too high
i have to give you roughly equal time
please let the vice president talk
he has no plan for health care yes we do
sends please he sends out wishful
thinking he
has executive orders have no power he
hasn't lowered drug costs for anybody
he's been promising a health care plan
since he got elected he has none like
almost everything else he talks about
he does not have a plan he doesn't have
a plan
and the fact is this man doesn't know
what he's talking about
all right i have one final question for
you sure uh mr vice president
if senate republicans we were talking
originally about the supreme court here
if senate republicans go ahead and
confirm
justice barrett uh there has been talk
about ending the filibuster or even
packing the court adding
to the nine justices there you call this
a distraction by the president but in
fact it wasn't brought up by the
president
it was brought up by some of your
democratic colleagues in i'm saying the
congress
so my question to you is you have
refused in the past to talk about it
are you willing to tell the american
people tonight whether or not you will
support
either ending the filibuster or packing
the court whatever position i take in
that that'll become the issue the issue
is the american people should speak
you should go out and vote you're in
voting now
vote and let your senators know how
strong you feel
let vote now make sure you in fact
let people know we're a senator i'm not
going to answer the question because
because the question is the question is
justice
radical left would you show us listen
who is on your list joe
this is who's on your own right
gentlemen i think this is about
this we have ended
this segment we're going to move on to
the second segment that was really a
productive segment wasn't it keep
yapping man the people understand yeah
47 years you've done nothing they
understand
all right the second subject is covid19
which is an awfully serious subject so
let's try to be serious about it we have
had more than seven
million cases of coronavirus in the
united states and more than 200
000 people have died even
after we produce a vaccine experts say
that it could be months
or even years before we come back to
anything approaching normal
my question for both of you is based on
what you have said
and done so far and what you have said
you would do
starting in 2021 why should the american
people trust you
more than your opponent to deal with
this
public health crisis going forward in
this case
the question goes to you first sir two
minutes uninterrupted
good luck two hundred thousand dead
as you said over seven million infected
in the united states
we in fact have five percent or four
percent of the world's population
20 of the deaths 40 000 people
a day are contracting covet in addition
to that
about between 750 and a thousand people
today are dying
when he was presented with that number
he said it is what it is
well it is what it is because you are
who you are
that's why it is the president has no
plan he hasn't laid out anything he knew
all the way back in february how serious
this crisis was
he knew it was a deadly disease what did
he do
he's on tape is acknowledging he knew it
he said he didn't tell us or give
people a warning of it because he didn't
want to panic the american people
you don't panic he panicked in addition
to that
what did he do he went in and he we were
insisting that the chinese the
people we had on the ground in china
should be able to go to wuhan and
determine for themselves
how dangerous this was he did not even
ask she to do that
he told us what a great job she was
doing he said we owe him a debt of
gratitude
for being so transparent with us and
what did he do then
he then did nothing he waited and waited
and waited he still doesn't have a plan
i laid out back in march exactly what we
should be doing
and i laid out again in july what we
should be doing
we should be providing all the
protective gear possible we should be
providing the money the house has passed
in order to be able to go out and get
people the help they need to keep their
businesses open
open schools that cost a lot of money
you should get out of your bunker and
get out of the sand trap and get in
in your golf course and go in the oval
office and bring together the democrats
republicans and fund what needs to be
done now to save
lives so if we would have listened to
you up two minutes sir
if we would have listened to you the
country would have been left wide open
millions of people would have died not
two hundred thousand and one person is
too much it's china's fault it should
have never happened
they stopped it from going in but it was
china's fault and by the way when you
talk about numbers you don't know how
many people died in china
you don't know how many people died in
russia you don't know how many people
died in india they don't exactly give
you a straight count just so you
understand
but if you look at what we've done i
closed it and you said he's xenophobic
he's a racist and he's xenophobic
because you didn't think i should have
closed our country wait a minute it says
two minutes you didn't think we should
have closed our country because you
thought it was too
it was terrible you wouldn't have closed
it for another two months
by my doing it early in fact dr fauci
said
president trump saved thousands of lives
many of you a democrat governor said
president trump did a phenomenal job we
worked with the governor oh really go
take a look
the governor said i did a phenomenal job
most of them said that
in fact people that would not be
necessarily on my side
said that president trump did a
phenomenal job
we did we got the gowns we got the masks
we made the ventilators you wouldn't
have made ventilators and now we're
weeks away from a vaccine
we're doing therapeutics already fewer
people are dying when they get sick
far fewer people are dying we've done a
great job
the only thing i haven't done a good job
and that's because of the fake news
no matter what you say to them they give
you a bad press on it's just fake news
they give you good press they give me
bad press because that's the way it is
unfortunately but let me just tell you
something i don't care i've gotten used
to it
but i'll tell you joe you could never
have done the job that we did
you don't have it in your blood you
could have never done that yet
i know how to do the job i know how to
get the job well you didn't do very well
in swine flu
h1n1 you were a disaster your own
14 000 people died not 200 000 there was
no
economic recession
you made a point and there was no one
there's no we didn't shut down the
economy
this is his economy that's been he shut
down the reason it's shut down is
because
look you folks at home how many of you
got up this morning
and had an empty chair at the kitchen
table because someone died a covet
how many of you are in a situation where
you lost your mom or dad and you
couldn't even speak to them you had
a nurse holding a phone up so you could
in fact say goodbye you would have lost
father how many people
far more people and you would have been
and by the way
his own cdc director says we could lose
as many as another
200 000 people between now and the end
of the year and he held him he said
if we just wear a mask we can save half
those numbers just just a mask
and by the way in terms of the the whole
notion of a vaccine
we're for a vaccine but we i don't trust
him at all nor do you i know you don't
what we trust is a scientist you don't
trust doctors johnson
by the way let me let me move on to
questions about the future because you
both have touched on one of the
two of the questions i'm going to ask uh
focusing on the future first president
trump
you have repeatedly either contradicted
or been at odds with some of your
government's
own top scientists the week before last
the head of the centers for disease
control dr redfield said it would be
summer before the vaccine would become
generally available
to the public you said that he was
confused
and mistaken those were your two words
but
dr slowy the head of your operation worf
speed
has said exactly the same thing are they
both wrong well i've spoken to the
companies and we can have it a lot
sooner it's a very political thing
because people like this
would rather make it political than save
lives it is a very political thing
i've spoken to pfizer i've spoken to all
of the people that you have to speak to
we have great
moderna johnson and johnson and others
they can go faster than that by a lot
become very political because the left
or i don't know if it's called your left
i don't know
the head of your operation warp speed
doctor i disagree with him yeah no i
disagree with both of them
and he didn't say that he said it could
be there but it could also be much
i had him in my office two days he
talked about the summer sir before it's
generally available
he said it's a possibility that we'll
have the answer
before november first it could also be
what is generally available
well we're going to deliver it right
away we have the military all set up
logistically they're all set up
we have our military that delivers
soldiers and they can do two hundred
thousand a day
they're going to be doing this it's all
set up
by easter this would be gone away by the
warm weather it'd be gone
miraculous like a miracle and by the way
maybe you could inject some bleach in
your arm and that would take care of it
this is the same said sarcastic that was
you know that i
would have said sarcasm so here's the
deal this man
is talking about a vaccine every serious
every serious company is talking about
maybe having a vaccine
done by the end of the year but the
distribution of that vaccine
will not occur until sometime beginning
or the middle of next year to get it out
if we get the vaccine and pray god we
will
may god mr vice president i want to pick
up the vaccine
i want to pick up on this question
though you say the public
can trust the scientists but they can't
trust president trump in fact you said
that again tonight
your running mate senator harris goes
further saying the public health experts
quote
will be muzzled will be suppressed given
the fact that polls already show
that people are concerned about the
vaccine and are reluctant to take it
are you and your running mate senator
harris contributing to that fear
no more than the question you just asked
him you pointed out
he puts pressure and disagrees with his
own scientists
what you're saying
well no no you can't trust the scientist
he doesn't she didn't say that you can't
she said the public health experts will
be muzzled
will be suppressed well that's what he's
going to try to do but
there's millions of scientists there's
thousands of scientists out there
like here at this great hospital that
don't work for him
their job doesn't depend on him that's
not
they're the people there and by the way
to the scientists that are in charge by
the way they will have the vaccine very
soon do you believe for a moment
what he's telling you in light of all
the lies he's told you about
the whole issue relating to covet he
still hasn't even acknowledged
that he knew this was happening knew how
dangerous was going to be
back in february and he didn't even tell
you
he's on record as saying it he panicked
or he just looked at the stock market
one of the two
because guess what a lot of people died
and a lot more gonna die unless he gets
a lot smarter a lot quicker
mr president did you use the word smart
uh so you said you went to delaware
state but you forgot the name of your
college
you didn't go to delaware state you
graduated
either the lowest or almost the lowest
in your class don't ever use the word
smart with me
don't ever use that word oh give me your
because you know what there's nothing
smart about you joe 47 years you've done
this let's add this to ben
you would have had let me just tell you
something jeff if you would have had
the charge of what i was put through i
had to close
the greatest economy in the history of
our country and by the way now it's
being built again
it's going to get to the economy in the
next segment sir okay it's going up fast
when it comes to how the virus has been
handled so far
the two of you have taken very different
approaches and this is going to affect
how the virus is handled going forward
by
whichever review ends up becoming the
next president i want to quickly go
through several of those reopenings
vice president biden you have been much
more reluctant than president trump
about reopening the economy and schools
why sir
because he doesn't have a plan if i were
running i know how what the plan is
you've got to provide these businesses
the ability to have the money to be able
to reopen with the ppe
as well as with the sanitation they need
you have to provide them
he's just shush for a minute tell it
and humor by the way nancy pelosi and
schumer
they have a plan he won't even meet with
them
the republicans won't meet with the
senate but he sits
he sits on his golf course and i mean
literally think about it you probably
play more than i do
what about this question of reopenings
and the fact he wants to shut down
this country and i want to keep it open
and we did a great job
let me shut you down for a second joe
just for one second
we want to he wants to shut down the
country we just went through it we had
to because we didn't know anything about
the disease now we found
that elderly people with heart problems
and diabetes and different problems are
very very vulnerable we learned a lot
young children aren't
even younger people aren't we've learned
a lot but he wants to shut it down
more people will be hurt by continuing
if you look at pennsylvania if you look
at certain states
that have been shut down they have
democrat governors all one of the
reasons they're shut down is because
they want to keep it shut down until
after the elections
you have begun to increasingly question
the effectiveness
of masks as a disease preventer and in
fact
recently you have cited the the issue of
of waiters touching their mass and
touching plates
are you questioning that no i think
they'll be asking okay
you have to understand if you look i
mean i have a mask right here i put a
mask on it
you know when i think i need it tonight
as an example everybody's had a test
and you've had social distancing and all
of the things that you have to but i
wear masks when needed when needed i
wear masks okay let me ask
i don't have to i don't wear mess like
him every time you see him he's got a
mask he could be speaking
200 feet away from it he shows up with
the biggest mask i've ever seen
i will say i would say vice president
biden go ahead sir
look the way to open businesses is give
them the wherewithal to be able open
we provided money the congress i was
asking a sir about masks
well mask must make a big difference his
own head of the cdc said if we just wore
mass between now
if everybody wore masks in social
distance between now and january
we'd probably save up to a hundred
thousand lives
it matters and they've also said the
opposite they've also said no
no serious person said the opposite no
well look seriously
dr fauci said that he did not ask very
strong
a minute
subject because your different
approaches has even affected the way
that you have campaigned
president trump you're holding large
rallies with crowds packed together
thousands of people i would say outside
yes sir agreed
uh vice president biden you are holding
much smaller
uh events with nobody will show up
people with math
all right in any case why you holding
the big rallies why
you not you goes first sir because
people
want to hear what i have to say i mean
what are you doing worried about
and i'll have 25 35 000 people show up
at airports
we use airports we have a lot of people
well so far we have had no problem
whatsoever it's outside that's a big
difference according to the
experts and we do them outside we have
tremendous
crowds as you see i mean every and and
literally on 24 hours notice and joe
does the circles and has three people
someplace
okay by the way one of the last big
rallies he has
and a reporter came up to him to ask him
a question he said no no no
stand back put on your mask put on a
mask
have you been tested i'm way i'm way far
away from those other people
that's what he said i can't i'm gonna be
okay he's not worried about you he's not
worried about the people out there
breathing in one of them we've had no
negativity
no negative effect we've had no negative
effect and we've had
35 40 000 right people wanted israelis
just quickly finish up because i want to
move on to our next yes i would he's
been totally irresponsible the way in
which he has handled
the social distancing and people wearing
masks basically encourage them not to
all right he's a fool if you could get
the crowds you would have done the same
thing but you can't nobody can gentlemen
can we move on to the economy yes the
economy
is i think it's fair to say recovering
faster than expected from the shutdown
much faster in the second quarter the
unemployment rate fell to 8.4 percent
last month
the federal reserve says the hit to
growth which is going to be there
is not going to be nearly as big as they
had expected
president trump you say we are in a
v-shaped recovery
vice president biden you say it's more
of a k-shape
what difference does that mean to
the american people in terms of the
economy president trump in this
segment you go first so we built the
greatest economy in history we closed it
down because of the china
plague when the plague came in we closed
it down which was very hard
psychologically to do he didn't think we
should close it down and he was wrong
and again two million people would be
dead now instead of
still 204 thousand people is too much
one person is too much should have never
happened from china
but what happened is we closed it down
and now we're reopening and we're doing
record business we had 10.4 million
people in a four-month period that we've
put back into the workforce that's a
record the likes of which nobody's ever
seen before
and he wants to close down the he will
shut it down again he will destroy this
country
you know a lot of people between drugs
and alcohol and
depression when you start shutting it
down you take a look at what's happening
at some of your democrat-run states
where they have these
tough shutdowns and i'm telling you it's
because they don't want to open it one
of them came out last week you saw that
oh we're going to open up on november
9th why november 9th because it's after
the election
they think they're hurting us by keeping
them closed they're hurting people
people know what to do they can social
distance they can wash their hands they
can wear masks
they can do whatever they want but
they've got to open these states up
when you look at north carolina when you
look and these governors are under siege
pennsylvania michigan and a couple of
others
you've got to open these states up it's
not fair you're talking about almost
it's like being in prison
and you look at what's going on with
divorce look at what's going on with
alcoholism and drugs it's a very very
sad thing
and he'll close down the whole country
this guy will close down the whole
country
and destroy our country our country is
coming back
incredibly well setting records as it
does it
we don't need somebody to come in and
say let's shut it down
all right you're two minutes sir we're
now moved to you
as i as i said posing the question the
president says it's a v-shape recovery
you say it's a k-shaped
recovery what's the difference the
difference is
millionaires and billionaires like him
in the middle of the culver crisis
have done very well another billionaires
of ray have
made another 300 billion dollars because
of his
profligate tax proposal and
he only focused on the market but you
folks at home
you folks living in scranton and
claymont and all the small towns and
working-class towns in america
how old are you doing this guy paid well
total of 750 dollars in taxes
wait wait no sir i understand you've
agreed to the two minutes so please let
him have it
i get my time back the fact is that he
is in fact
worked on this in a way that he's going
to be the first president united states
to leave office having fewer jobs in his
administration
than when he became president fewer jobs
than when he became friends first one in
american history
secondly the people who have lost their
jobs are those people who have been on
the front lines
those people who have been saving our
lives those people who have been out
there
dying people who've been putting
themselves in a way to make sure
that we could all try to make it and the
idea that he is insisting
that we go forward and open when you
have
almost half the states in america with a
significant increase
in covert deaths and covert cases in the
united states of america
and he wants to open it up more why does
he want to open it up why doesn't he
take care of the america you can't fix
the economy
until you fix the covet crisis and he
has no
intention of doing anything about making
it better for you all
at home in terms of your health and your
safety schools why are schools open
because it costs a lot of money to open
them safely you know
they were going to give his
administration going to give the
teachers and school
students masks and then they decided no
couldn't do that because it's not a
national emergency
not a national emergency they've done
nothing to help
small businesses nothing they're closing
one in six is now gone
he ought to get on the job and take care
of the needs of the american people
so we can open safe all right your time
is up sir we are going to get to
i have to respond to that well you both
had two minutes sir
excuse me he made a statement so people
want their schools
no people want their schools open they
don't want to be shut down
they don't want their estate shut down
they want their restaurants i look at
new york it's so sad what's happening in
new york it's almost like a ghost town
and i'm not sure it can ever recover
what they've done in new york
people want their places open they want
to get back to their lives people
they'll be careful but they want their
schools
i'm the one that brought back football
by the way i brought back big ten
football
it was me and i'm very happy to do it
and all right people of ohio are very
proud of me and
you're not gonna get about get to your
economic plans
going forward in a moment but first mr
president as you well know there's a new
report
that in 2016 the year you were elected
president and 2017
your first year as president that you
paid 750
a year in federal income tax each of
those
years i know that you pay
a lot of other taxes but i'm asking you
the specific question
is it true that you paid 750 in
federal income taxes each of those two
years i paid
millions of dollars in taxes millions of
dollars
of income tax and let me just tell you
there was a story in one of the papers i
paid 38
million one year i paid 27 million show
us your tax returns
i went uh you'll see it as soon as it's
finished you'll see it
you know if you want to do go to the
board of elections there's a 118 page or
so report
that says everything i have every bank i
have i'm totally
under leveraged because the assets are
extremely good
and we have a very we have a i built
that i'm asking you a specific question
which is let me tell you
i understand all of that i understand no
mr president i'm asking you a question
will you tell us
how much you paid in federal income
taxes
in 2016 and 2017. millions of dollars
you paid millions of dollars hundreds of
dollars millions of dollars and you'll
get to see it
and you'll get to see it but let me just
chris let me just tell you something
that
it was the tax laws i don't want to pay
tax be
before i came here i was a private
developer i was a private
business people like every other private
person unless they're stupid
they go through the laws and that's what
it is he passed a tax bill
that gave us all these privileges for
depreciation
and for tax credits we build the
building and we get tax credits like the
hotel
on pennsylvania avenue you get a massive
which by the way was given to me
by the obama administration if you can
believe that
now the man got fired right after that
happened but
biden you want to respond yeah i do want
to respond look
the tax code that made him
put him in a position that he pays less
tax than a school teacher
makes on the money a school teacher
makes is because
of him take he says he's smart because
he can take advantage of the tax
code and he does take advantage of the
tax code that's why
i'm going to eliminate the trump tax
cuts and we're going to we're going to
eliminate those taxes
and make sure that we invest in the
people who in fact
need to help people out there need help
but why didn't you do it over 20 in the
last 25 years
because you do it because you weren't
president screwing things up
you were a senator you're the worst
president america has ever had
let me let me just tell you joe i've
done more in
in 47 months i've done more than you've
done in 47 years joe
we've done things that you never even
thought of okay including fixing the
broken military that you gave me
mr president we're talking about the
economy i'd like to ask you about
your plans going forward because uh mr
vice president your economic plan
if you were to be elected president uh
focuses a lot on big government big
taxes big spending i want to focus first
on the taxes
you propose more than four trillion
dollars over a decade and new taxes
on individuals making more than four
hundred thousand dollars a year and
on corporations president trump says
that that kind of an
increase in taxes is going to hurt the
economy as it's just coming out of a
recession well just take a look at what
as
the the analysis has been on by wall
street firms
points out that my my economic plan
would create seven million more jobs in
his in four years number one
and number two it would create an
additional one trillion dollars in
economic growth because it would be
about
buying american that we have to we're
going to make this federal government
spend 600 billion
a year on everything from ships to steel
to buildings and the like and under my
proposal
we're going to make sure that every
penny of that has to be
made by a company respectfully so i'm
talking about taxes not
spending well by the way i'm going to
eliminate significant number of the tax
i'm going to make the
the the corporate tax 28 it shouldn't be
21
you have 19 companies 91 companies
federal i mean in the fortune 500 who
don't pay a single penny in tax making
billions of dollars why didn't you do it
billions of dollars
because obama because you in fact passed
that
that was your tax proposal i got it done
and you know what happened yeah you got
it down our economy boom
it's never been the economy let me
finish let me
mr president let me pick up on that you
would continue
your free market approach lower taxes
more
deregulation correct not lower taxes
american people
but in but in obama's you talk about the
economy booming
it turns out that in obama's final three
years as president
more jobs were created a million and a
half more jobs
than in the first three years of your
presidency they had the slowest
recovery since night economic recovery
since 1929
it was the slowest recovery also they
took over something that was down here
all you had to do was turn on the lights
and you pick up a lot
but they had the slowest economic
recovery since 1929 let me tell you
about the stock market
when the stock market goes up that means
jobs it also means 401ks
if you got in if you ever became
president with your ideas you want to
terminate my tax
my taxes i i'll tell you what you'll
lose half of the companies that have
poured in here
will leave and plenty of companies that
are already here they'll leave for other
places
they will leave and you will have a
depression the likes of which
you've never seen look we inherited
the worst recession short of a
depression in american history
i was asked to bring it back we were
able to have an economic recovery that
created the jobs you're talking about
we handed him a booming economy he blew
it it wasn't
he wasn't booming it was it was the
weakest request
is it fair to say he blew it when in
fact it was
when there was record on low
unemployment yeah before covet
yeah but because what he did even before
covert manufacturing went in the hole
manufacturing went not whole excuse me
number two number three they said it
would take no you're a number two no
chris chris they said it would take a
miracle
to bring back manufacturing i brought
back seven hundred thousand jobs
they brought back nothing they gave up
on manufacturing we did not stand
i was asked to bring back chrysler and
general motors who brought him back
right here in the state of ohio in
michigan
he blew it they're gone he blew it and
in fact they're
had the best year it's ever had last
year michigan had the best year they've
ever had that it's not
any car companies came in from germany
from japan
went to michigan and went to ohio
they're not happening and they didn't
come everywhere
mr vice president and so you take a look
at what he's actually done
he's done very little his trade deals
are the same way
he talks about these great trade deals
you know he talks about the art of the
deal
china has made perfected the art of the
steel we have a higher deficit with
china now than we did before
we have the highest deficit trade
deficit china with mexico
china ate your lunch joe and no wonder
your son goes in and he
takes out he takes out billions of
dollars
takes out billions of dollars to manage
he makes millions of dollars
and also while we're at it why is it
just out of curiosity
the mayor of moscow's wife gave your son
three and a half million dollars
what did he do to deserve it what did he
do
totally discredited totally discredited
and by the way
well wait he didn't get three and a half
million dollars joe mr vice president he
got 300
that is not true really mr president
it's a it's an open discussion please
it's a fact
well there's no you have raised an issue
let the springtime president answer
discredited it was everything 183 000
a month with no experience and energy
my son did nothing wrong at first i
think he did mr president
he doesn't want to let me answer because
he knows i have the truth his position
has been totally
thoroughly described by everybody well
by the media by our allies by the world
bank
by everyone as discredited matter of
fact
matter of fact people who testified
under oath
so let me ask you this i'm listening to
you
people under you've got three and a half
testified
testified under oath in his
administration said i did my job and i
did it very well
every well i'll give you the list of the
people who tested it
sure they've you've already fired most
of them because they did a good job some
people don't well
here's it with you guys wait a minute
you get the final word
well it's hard to get any word in with
this clown excuse me this
hey let me just say no no i'm mr
president
that is simply why did he deserve three
and a half million from moscow look
here's the deal we want to talk about
families
and ethics i don't want to do that i
mean his family we could talk about all
night
his family is our family my family lost
a fortune coming down and
that's not true it doesn't want to talk
about
what you need you the american people
it's about you that's what we're talking
about all right
that's the end of the segment we're
moving we're moving on it didn't take
them
vice president can i be honest it's a
very important try to be honest
the answer to the question is no ukraine
no i sir with a billion dollars
you know what you're waiting for you're
doing it you're going to do that okay
true gentlemen is i hate to raise my
voice but i think it seems to be
why shouldn't i be different than the
two of you so here's the good point
we have six segments we have ended that
segment
we're going to go to the next segment in
that segment you each
are going to have two uninterrupted
moments in those two interrupted minutes
mr president you can say
anything you want i'm going to ask a
question about race but if you want to
answer about something else go ahead
but we i think that the country would be
better served
if we allowed both people to speak with
fewer interruptions i'm appealing to you
sir to do that
well and him too well frankly you've
been doing more interruptions that's all
right but he does plenty
well less than less than plenty no less
than you have
let's please continue on the issue of
race
vice president biden you say that
president trump's response
to the violence in charlottesville three
years ago
when he talked about very fine people on
both sides
was what directly led you
to launch this run for president oh yes
sure president
trump you have often said that you
believe you have done
more for black americans than any
president with the possible
exception of abraham lincoln my question
for the two of you
is why should voters trust you rather
than your opponent
to deal with the race issues facing this
country over the next four years
vice president biden you go first it's
about equity
inequality it's about decency it's about
the constitution
and we have never walked away from
trying to quite
require equity for everyone equality for
the whole of america
but we've never accomplished it but
we've never walked away from it like he
has done
it is true the reason i got in the race
is from those people close your eyes
remember what those people look like
coming out of the fields carrying
torches
their veins bulging speeding and just
spewing anti-semitic
bile and accompanied by the ku klux klan
a young woman got killed
and they asked the president what he
thought he said there were very fine
people on both sides no president has
ever said anything
like that it is now second sir
second point i'd make to you is that
when
floyd was killed when mr floyd was
killed there was a peaceful protest in
front of the white house
what did he do he came out of his bunker
had the military
to use tear gas on him so he could walk
across to a church and hold up a bible
and then what happened after that the
bishop of that very church
said that it was the disgrace the
general who was with him said
he only all he ever wants to do is
divide people not unite people at all
this is a president who has used
everything as a dog whistle
to try to generate racist hatred racist
division
this is a man who in fact you talk about
helping african americans
one in 1 000 african americans has been
killed because of the coronavirus and if
he doesn't do something quickly by the
end of the year
one in 500 will have been killed one in
500 african americans
this man this man is the is the savior
of african americans
this man cares at all this man's done
virtually nothing look the fact is that
you have to
look at what he talks about you have to
look at what he did
and what he did has been disastrous for
the african-american community
so president trump you have two minutes
why should
americans trust you over your opponent
to deal with racism did a crime bill
1994 where you call them super predators
african-americans the super predators
and they've never forgotten it
they've never forgotten it yet no sir
it's his two minutes so you did that
and they called you super predator and
i'm letting people out of jail now that
you have treated the african-american
population community you have treated
the black community
about as bad as anybody in this country
you did the 199 and that's why
if you look at the polls i'm doing
better than any republican has done in a
long time
because they saw what you did you call
them super predators
and you've called them worse than that
because you look back at your testimony
over the years you've called them a lot
worse than that as far as the church is
concerned
and as far as the generals are concerned
we just got the support of 200
mil 250 military leaders and generals
total support law enforcement almost
every law enforcement
group in the united states i have
florida i have texas
i have ohio i have every
excuse me portland the sheriff just came
out today and he said i support
president trump i don't think you have
any law enforcement you can't even say
the word law enforcement because if you
say those words
you're going to lose all of your radical
left supporters and why aren't you
saying those words
why don't you say the words law
enforcement because you know what if
they called us in portland
we would put out that fire in a half an
hour but they won't do it because
they're run by radical left democrats
if you look at chicago if you look at
any place you want to look seattle
they heard we were coming in the
following day and they put up their
hands and we got back seattle
minneapolis we got it back joe because
we believe in law and order but
you don't the top 10 cities in just
about the top
40 cities are run by democrats in many
cases
radical left and they've got you wrapped
around their finger joe
to a point where you don't want to say
anything about law and
order and i'll tell you what the people
of this country
want and demand law and order and you're
afraid to even say it
all right i want to i want to return to
the question of race
vice president biden after the grand
jury in the brianna
taylor case decided not to charge any of
the police
with homicide you said it raises the
question quote
whether justice could be equally applied
in america do you believe
that there is a separate but unequal
system of justice for
blacks in this country yes there is
there's just there's just
systemic injustice in this country in
education and work
and in in law enforcement and the and
the way in which it's enforced
but look the vast majority of police
officers are good decent honorable men
and women
they risk their lives every day to take
care of us but there are some bad apples
and when they occur when they find them
they have to be
sorted out they have to be held
accountable they have to be held
accountable
and what i'm going to do as president
united states is call a
a together an entire group of people at
the white house
blow everything from the civil rights
groups to the police officers the police
chiefs
and we're going to work this out we're
going to work this out so we change the
way in which we have more transparency
in when these things happen these cops
aren't happy to see what happened to
george floyd these cops aren't happy to
see what happened to
brianna taylor most don't like it but we
have to have a system
where people are held accountable when
and by the way violence and response is
never appropriate
never appropriate peaceful protest is
violence is never
appropriate what is peaceful protest
when they run through the members of the
town
and burn down your stores and kill
people
you say it is president trump i'd like
to continue with the issue of race i
promise we're going to get to the issue
of law and order
in a moment this month your
administration
directed federal agencies to end racial
sensitivity training that addresses
white privilege or critical race theory
why did you decide to do that to end
racial sensitivity training
and do you believe that there is
systemic racism in this country sir
i ended it because it's racist i ended
it because a lot of people were
complaining that they were
asked to do things that were absolutely
insane
that it was a radical revolution that
was taking place
in our military uh in our schools
all over the place and you know it and
so does everybody else and he would know
what is totally racial sensitivity
training if you were a certain person
you had no status in life it was sort of
a reversal
and if you look at the people we were
paying people hundreds of thousands of
dollars
to teach very bad ideas and frankly very
sick ideas
and and really they were teaching people
to hate our country
and i'm not going to do that i'm not
going to allow that to happen
we have to go back to the core values of
this country
they were teaching people that our
country is a horrible place it's a
racist place
and they were teaching people to hate
our country and i'm not going to allow
that to happen
vice president biden nobody's doing that
he's just
he's the racist
the fact is that there is racial
insensitivity people have to be made
aware
of what other people feel like what
what insults them what is demeaning to
them
it's important to people know they don't
want to many people don't want to
hurt other people's feelings but it's
amazing it makes a big difference
it makes a gigantic difference in the
way a child is able to grow up and have
a self
a sense of self-esteem it's a little bit
like how
this guy and and his friends look down
on so many people
they look down their nose on people like
irish catholics like me and grow up in
scranton they look down on people who
don't have money they look down on
people
who are of a different faith they look
down on people who are a different color
in fact we're all americans the only way
we're going to bring this country
together
is bring everybody together there's
nothing we cannot do
if we do it together we can take this on
and we can defeat
racism president i mean president trump
sir during the obama
biden administration there was
tremendous division
there was hatred you look at ferguson
you look at
you go to very many places look at
oakland look what happened in oakland
look what happened in baltimore look
what happened
frankly it was more violent than what
i'm even seeing now but the reason
is that the democrats that run these
cities
don't want to talk like you about law
and order violence you still haven't
mentioned violence are you in favor of
law and order i'm in favor of law you
follow
are you in favor of law and order you
ask a question
law an order with justice where people
get treated fairly
and the fact of the matter is violent
crime went down 17
15 in our administration it's gone up on
his watch
much more all right
mr president you're going to be very
happy because we're not going to talk
about law enforcement because we had
trouble with democratic-run
cities that's exactly my question there
has been a dramatic increase in
homicides in america
this summer particularly and you often
blame that on democratic
mayors and democratic governors but in
fact there have been equivalent
spikes in republican-led cities like
tulsa and fort worth
so the question is is this really a
party issue
i think it's a party issue you can bring
in a couple of examples but if you look
at chicago what's going on in chicago
where
53 people were shot and eight died shot
if you look at new york where it's going
up like nobody's ever seen anything the
numbers are going up 100 150
200 percent uh crime it is
crazy what's going on and he doesn't
want to say law and order because he
can't
because he'll lose his radical left
supporters and once he does that it's
over with but
if he ever got to run this country and
they ran it the way he would want to run
it
we would have our suburbs would be gone
by the way
our suburbs would be gone and you would
see problems like
he would
this is not 1950. all these dog whistles
and racism don't work anymore
suburbs are by and large integrated
there's many people today driving their
kids to soccer practice and or to
black and white and hispanic in the same
car as there have been any time in the
past
what's what really is a threat to the
suburbs and their safety
is his failure to deal with covet
they're dying in the suburbs
his failure to deal with the environment
they're being flooded
they're being burned out because he is
refusal to do anything
that's why the suburbs are interested i
do want to talk about this issue of law
and order though and
in the joint recommendation that came
from the
biden bernie sanders task force you
talked about
quote reimagining policing
first of all what does reimagining
policing mean and do you support
it means let me if i might finish the
question what does reimagining policing
mean
and do you support the black lives
matter
uh call for uh
for community control of policing look
what i support is the police having the
opportunity to deal with the problems
they face
and i'm not totally opposed to defunding
the police officers
as a matter of fact police local police
the only one defunding in his budget
calls for a 400 million dollar cut in
local law enforcement assistance
they need more assistance they need when
they show up for a 9 11 call to have
someone with them as a psychologist or
psychiatrist
to keep them from having to use force
and be able to talk people down
we have to have community policing like
we had before where the officers get to
know the people
in the communities that's when crime
went down
it didn't go up it went down and so we
have to be in that's
not what they're talking about chris
that's
he has no law enforcement that's not
true almost that's not
look who do you have name one group that
supports you name one group that came
out and supported you
go ahead i think we have time we don't
have time to do anything
all right one law enforcement group
that came back gentlemen i think i'm
going to i'm going to take back the
moderators
and i want to get to another subject
which is the issue of protests
in many cities that have turned violent
in portland oregon especially we had a
more than a hundred straight days of
protests
which i think you would agree you talk
about peaceful protests many of those
turned into riots
mr vice president you say that
people who commit crimes should be held
accountable
the question i have though is as the
democratic nominee and earlier tonight
you said that you are the democratic
party
right now have you ever called the
democratic mayor of portland or the
democratic governor of oregon and said
hey you've got to stop this bring in the
national guard
do whatever it takes but you'd stop the
days and months
of violence in portland i don't hold
public office now
i am a former vice president i've made
it clear
i've made it clear in my public
statements that the violence should be
prosecuted
it should be prosecuted and anyone who
commits it but you've never called for
the people
the leader excuse me sir you had never
called for the leaders
in portland and in oregon to
call us bring in the national guard and
knock off a hundred days of riot
they can in fact take care of it if he
just stay out of the way
look here oh really here oh really
nobody asked questions get the killer of
the young man in the middle of the
street they
shot him and for three days president
go ahead sir and by the way you know his
own former spokesperson said
you know riots and chaos and violence
help us cause
that's what this is all about i don't
know who said that i do
who i think kellyanne conway i don't
think she said she said that
and so here's all right but here's the
point the point is that
that's what he is keeps trying to rile
everything up
he doesn't want to calm things down
instead of going in and talking to
people and saying let's get everybody
together
figure out how to deal with this what's
he do he just pours gasoline in the fire
constantly and every single solitary
okay and to
end this button up this segment i'm
going to give you a minute to answer sir
you have repeatedly criticized i have to
answer his stuff
you haven't stated no you've been
talking you made a statement
i'm asking you i would love to know sir
i would love to
you know if you want to switch seats we
could very quickly we could do that but
i'm saying
the national guard it would be over
there'd be no problem okay but they
don't want to accept the national guard
you have repeatedly criticized the vice
president for not specifically calling
out antifa
and other left-wing extremist groups but
are you willing
tonight to condemn white supremacists
and militia groups
and to say that they need to stand down
and not
add to the violence in a number of these
cities as we saw in kenosha
and as we've seen in portland let's do
it
say i would say almost everything i see
is from the left wing
not from the right what are you what are
you what are you saying i'm willing to
do anything i want to see peace then do
it sir say it
do it say it do you want to call him
what do you want to call him give me a
name give me a white surprise
and write prophecy boys stand back and
stand by
but i'll tell you what i'll tell you
what somebody's got to do something
about antifa and the left because this
is not a right-wing problem
this is a left-handed director this is a
left-wing
white supremacist antifa is an idea not
an organization you've got it
not militia that's what his tonight fbi
his fbi director said well you know what
no no
we're we're done sir we're moving on to
the next one
got an idea everybody your
administration tells you the truth is it
has a bad idea can i tell you what you
have no
idea and tifa is a danger all right
gentlemen we're now moving on to the
trump and records and they'll overthrow
you when a president
i'm going to ask a question when the
president seeks a second term
it is generally a referendum on his
record but vice president biden you like
to quote one of your dad's
sayings which is don't compare me to the
almighty
compare me to the alternative and in
this case sir
you are the alternative looking
at both of your records i'm going to ask
each of you
why should voters elect you president
over your opponent
in this segment president trump you go
first two minutes
because there has never been an
administration or president
who has done more than i've done in a
period of three and a half years and
that's despite
the impeachment hoax and you saw what
happened today with hillary clinton
where it was a whole big con
job but despite going through all of
these things where i had to fight
both flanks and behind me and above
there has never been an administration
that's done what i've done the greatest
before covet came in the greatest
economy in history lowest employ
unemployment numbers
everything was good everything was going
and by the way
there was unity going to happen people
were calling me for the first time in
years they were calling
and they were saying it's time maybe and
then what happened we got hit but now
we're building it back
up again a rebuilding of the military
including space force and all of the
other things
a a fixing of the the va
which was a mess under him 308 000
people died because they didn't have
proper health care he was a mess
and we now got a 91 approval rating at
the va our vets we take care of our vets
but we've rebuilt our military the job
that we've done and i'll tell you
something some people say maybe the most
important
by the end of the first term i'll have
approximately
300 federal judges and court of appeals
judges 300
and hopefully three great supreme court
judges
justices that is a record
the likes of which very few people and
you know one of the reasons i'll have so
many judges
because president obama and him left me
128
judges to fill when you leave office you
don't leave
any judges that's like you just don't do
that they left 128
openings and if i were a member of his
party
because they have a little different
philosophy i'd say if you left
us 128 openings you can't be a good
president
you can't be a good vice president but i
want to thank you because it gives us
almost it'll probably be above that
number by the end of this term
300 judges it's a record looking at both
your records
why should voters elect you president as
opposed to president trump you have two
minutes uninterrupted
under this president we become weaker
sicker
poor more divided and more violent
when i was vice president we inherited a
recession
i was asked to fix it i did we left him
a booming economy
and he caused the recession with regard
to
being weaker the fact is that i've gone
head-to-head with putin
and made it clear to him we're not going
to take any of his stuff he's putin's
puppy he still refuses to even say
anything to putin about
the bounty on the heads of american
soldiers no no no million dollars
and by the way mr price mr president
your campaign agreed to both sides would
get two
minute answers uninterrupted well your
your side agreed to it
and why don't you observe what your
campaign agreed to as a ground rule okay
sir
he never keeps his word no no i'm not
absolutely
that was a rhetorical question can you
go ahead back 30 seconds
yes you may have all right go ahead so
thirdly we're poor the billionaires have
gotten much
much more wealthy by a tune of over
three to four hundred billion dollars
more
just since covent you in the home you
got
less you're in more trouble than you
were before
in terms of being more violent when we
were in office there were 15 percent
less violence in america than there is
today he's president united states
it's on his watch and with regard to
more divided
the nation can't stay divided we can't
be this way
and speaking of my son the way you talk
about the military
the way you talk about them being losers
and being
and and just being suckers my son
was in iraq he spent a year there
he got he got the bronze star he got the
conspicuous service medal
he was not a loser he was a patriot
and the people left behind there were
heroes
and i resent you talking about hunter
are you talking about i'm talking about
my son beau biden you're talking i don't
know
i don't know bo i know hunter hunter got
thrown hunter got thrown out of the
military
he was thrown out dishonorably
discharged that's not true
cocaine use and he didn't have a job
until you became vice
do you mean about president he made a
fortune in ukraine
in china in moscow that is simply
various other places
and he didn't have a judge my son like a
lot of people like a lot of people we
know at home
had a drug problem he's overtaken it
he's
he's he's fixed it he's worked on it and
i'm proud of him but why was he out of
my system
all right but he wasn't giving 10
million that is totally
president totally you've already
we've already been through this i think
the american people would rather hear
about more substantial
subjects well you know as the moderator
sir i'm going to make a judgment call
here's three and a half million
mitt romney on that committee said it
wasn't worth taxpayers money that
reporter was written for political
reasons you know
i'd like to talk about climate change
okay
the forest fires in the west are raging
now they have burned
millions of acres they have displaced
hundreds of thousands of people when
state officials there blame the fires on
climate change mr president you said i
don't think
the science knows over your four years
you have pulled the us out of the paris
climate accord
you have rolled back a number of obama
environmental
records what do you believe about the
science of climate change
and what will you do in the next four
years to confront it
i want crystal clean water and air i
want beautiful clean air we have now the
lowest carbon
if you look at our numbers right now we
are
doing phenomenally but i haven't
destroyed our businesses
our businesses aren't put out of
commission if you look at
the paris accord it was a disaster from
our standpoint and people are
actually very happy about what's going
on because our businesses are doing well
as far as the fires are concerned
you need forest management in addition
to everything else
the forest floors are loaded up with
trees dead trees that are years old and
they're like tinder
and leaves and everything else you drop
a cigarette in there the whole forest
burns down
you've got to have forest management
what do you believe what do you believe
about the science of climate change sir
i believe that we have to do everything
we can to have
immaculate air immaculate water and do
whatever else we can that's good you
know we're planting
a billion trees the billion tree project
and it's very expensive you believe
that human pollution gas
greenhouse gas emissions contributes to
the global warming
i think a lot of things do but i think
to an extent yes i think to an extent
yes but i also think
we have to do better management of our
forests every
year i get the call california's burning
california is burning if that was
cleaned
if that were if you had forest
management good
forest management you wouldn't be
getting those calls you know in europe
they live their forest cities they call
forest cities
they maintain their forests they manage
their forests
i was with the head of a major country
it's a forest city
he said sir we have trees that are far
more they they ignite much easier than
california
there shouldn't be that problem i spoke
with the governor about it i'm getting
along very well
with the governor but i said you know at
some point you can't
every year have hundreds of thousands of
acres
of land just burned to the ground that's
burning down because of a lack of
sir if you believe in the science of
climate change why have you rolled back
the obama
clean power plan which limited carbon
emissions in power plants why have you
relaxed
because it was driving energy prices
through the sky why have you relaxed
fuel
economy standards that are going to
create
more pollution from cars well not really
because what's happening is the car is
much less expensive and it's a much
safer car
and you're talking about a tiny
difference and then what would happen
because of the cost of the car
you would have at least double and
triple the number of cars purchased we
have the old slugs out there that are 10
12 years old
if you did that the car would be safer
it would be much cheaper but
yeah they've simply take a lot of cars
off the market because people would be
able to afford a car
now so and by the way we're going to see
how that turns out
but a lot of people agree with me many
people the car has gotten so expensive
because they have computers all over the
place
for an extra little bit okay of gasoline
and
and i'm okay with electric cars too i
think i'm all for electric cars i've
given big incentives for electric cars
but what they've done in california is
just crazy
vice president biden i'd like you to to
respond to the president's
climate change record but i also want to
ask you about
a concern you proposed two trillion
dollars in green
jobs you talk about new limits not
abolishing but new limits on fracking
ending the use of fossil fuels to
generate electricity by 2035
and zero net emission of greenhouse
gases by 2050
the president says a lot of these things
would tank the economy and cost millions
of jobs he's absolutely wrong
number one number two if in fact when
our during our administration the
recovery act i was able to i was in
charge able to bring down the cost
of renewable energy to cheaper than or
as cheap as
coal and gas and oil nobody's going to
build another
coal-fired plant in america no one's
going to build another oil-fired plant
in america
they're going to move to renewable
energy number one number two
we're going to make sure that we are
able to take the federal fleet
and turn it into a fleet that's run on
their electric vehicles
making sure that we can do that we're
going to put 500 000
charging stations and all of the
highways that we're going to be building
in the future
we're going to build a economy that in
fact is going to provide for
the ability us to take four million
buildings and make sure that they in
fact are
weatherized in a way that in fact
they'll emit significantly less gas and
oil because the heat will not be going
out
there's so many things that we can do
now to create
thousands and thousands of jobs we can
get to net
zero in terms of energy production
by 2035 not only not costing people jobs
creating jobs creating millions of good
paying
jobs not 15 bucks an hour but
prevailing wage by having a new
infrastructure that in fact
is green and the first thing i will do i
will rejoin
the paris accord i will join the paris
accord because with us out of it look
what's happening
it's all falling apart and talk about
someone who has
no no relationship to with foreign
policy
brazil the rainforest of brazil are
being torn down
are being ripped down more more carbon
is absorbed in that rainforest than
every bit of carbon that's admitted in
the united states
instead of doing something about that i
would be gathering up and making sure we
had the com
the countries of the world coming up
with 20 billion dollars say here's 20
billion dollars
stop stop tearing down
the forest and if you don't then you're
going to have significant
economic consequences what about the
argument that president trump basically
says that you have to balance
environmental interests and economic
interests and he's drawn his line
well he hadn't drawn a line he still for
example make sure that we he wants to
make sure that
methane is not a problem we can you you
can now emit more methane without it
being a problem
methane this is a guy who says that you
don't have to have mileage standards for
automobiles that exist
now this is the guy who says that
the fact that it's all true and here's
something talking about the green new
deal and it's not 2 billion
or 20 billion as you said it's 100
trillion dollars
i'm talking about they want to rip down
buildings
and rebuild
where two car systems are out where they
want to take out the cows
you know that's not true either right
this is a this is a 100 trillion
that's more money than our country could
make in a hundred
years if we're not the case all right
let me let me let me just
because i actually wait a minute sir i
actually have
studied your plan and it includes
upgrading four million buildings
weatherizing two million homes over four
years
building one and a half million energy
efficient homes
so the question becomes some the
president is saying i
think some people who support the
president would say that sounds
like it's going to cost a lot of money
and hurt the economy what it's going to
do it's going to create
thousands and millions of jobs good
paying jobs let them finish sir
he doesn't know how to do that 100
billion the fact
is it's going to create millions of good
paying jobs and these tax incentives to
people
for people to weatherize which he wants
to get get rid of
it's going to make the economy much
safer look how much we're paying now
to deal with the hurricanes with the
deal with by the way he has an answer
for hurricanes he said
maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on
them they may i never said that
actually he did made it up uh and here's
the deal you make up
we we're going to be in a position where
we can create
hard hard good jobs by making sure the
environment
is clean and we all are in better shape
we spend
billions of dollars now billions of
dollars
on floods hurricanes rising seas
we're in real trouble look what's
happening just in the midwest with these
storms that come through and wipe out
entire
sections and counties in iowa they
didn't happen before they're because of
global
warming we make up 15 of the world's
problem we in fact but the rest of the
world we've got to get him to come along
that's why we have to get back
into back into the paris accord
all right gentlemen wait a minute chris
so why didn't he do it for 47 years you
were vice president why didn't you get
the world
china sends up real dirt into the air
russia does
india does they all do we're supposed to
be good and by the way
he made a couple of statements the green
new deal is a hundred trillion dollars
that is not
my plan that's three well you want to
rebuild everything my
he said i said something about the
military he and his friends made it up
and then they went with it i never said
it okay that is
question the final question is i can't
remember which of all is ranties
i'm having a little trouble myself but
uh and about the economy and about this
question of what it's going to cost
the the economy i mean the green new
deal and the idea of what what
your environmental changes will do the
green new deal
will pay for itself as we move forward
we're not going to build
plants that in fact are great polluting
plants
pardon me do you support no i don't
support the green new deal don't
oh well that's a big statement i support
you just the radical left
i support the biden plan that i put
forward
okay the biden plan which is different
than what he
calls the radical green new deal all
right gentlemen final segment
election integrity as we meet tonight
millions of americans
are receiving mail-in ballots or going
to vote early
how confident should we be that this
will be a fair election and what are you
prepared to do
over the next five plus weeks because
it'll not only be to election day but
also
counting some ballots mail-in ballots
after election day
what are you prepared to do to reassure
the american people that the next
president
will be the legitimate winner of this
election
in this final segment mr vice president
you go first prepare to let people vote
they should go to iwillvote.com
decide how they're going to vote when
they're going to vote and what means by
which they're going to vote
his own homeland security director as
well as the fbi director says there is
no
evidence at all that mail and ballots
are a source of
of being manipulated and cheating they
said that
the fact is that there are going to be
millions of people because of covet
that are going to be voting by mail and
ballots like he does by the way
he sits behind the resolute desk and
sends his ballot to florida
number one number two we're going to
make sure that those people who
want to vote in person are able to vote
because enough poll watchers are there
to
make sure they can socially distance the
polls are open on time
and their polls stay open until the
votes are counted and this is all about
trying to dissuade people from voting
because he's trying to con
to scare people into thinking that it's
not going to be legitimate
show up and vote you will determine the
outcome of this election
vote vote vote if you're able to vote
early in your state
vote early if you're able to vote in
person vote in person
vote whatever way is the best way for
you because you will he
cannot stop you from being able to
determine the outcome of this election
and in terms of whether or not when the
votes are counted and they're all
counted
that will be accepted if i win that will
be accepted if i lose it'll be accepted
but by the way
if in fact he says he's not sure what
he's going to accept
well let me tell you something it
doesn't matter because if we get the
votes
it's going to be all over he's going to
go he can't stay in power
it won't happen it won't happen so vote
just make sure you understand you have
it in your control to determine
what this country's going to look like
the next four years is it going to
change you get four more years of these
lies
mr president two minutes so when i
listened to joe
talking about a transition there's been
no transition from when i won i won that
election
and if you look at crooked hillary
clinton if you look at all of the
different people
there was no transition because they
came after me trying to do a coup
they came after me spying on my campaign
they started from the day i won and even
before i won from the day i came down
the escalator with our first lady
they were a disaster they were disgraced
to our country
and we've caught them we've caught them
all we've got it all on tape we've
caught them all and by the way you gave
the idea for the logan act against
general flynn
you better take a look at that because
we caught you in a sense and
president obama was sitting in the
office he knew about it too so don't
tell me about a free transition
as far as the ballots are concerned it's
a disaster
a solicited ballot okay
solicit it is okay you're soliciting
you're asking they send it back you send
it back
i did that if you have an unsolicited
they're sending millions of ballots all
over the country
there's fraud they found him in creeks
they found some with the name
trump just happened to have the name
trump just the other day in a waste
paper basket
they're being sent all over the place
they sent two
in a democrat area they sent out a
thousand ballots everybody got two
ballots
this is going to be a fraud like you've
never seen the other thing
it's nice on november 3rd you're
watching and you see who won the
election
and i think we're going to do well
because people are really happy with the
job we've
done but you know what we won't know we
might not know for months
because these ballots are going to be
all over take a look at what happened in
manhattan take a look at what happened
in
new jersey take a look at what happened
in virginia and other places
they're not losing two percent one
percent which by the way is too much an
election could be one or lost with that
they'll listen 30 and 40 it's a fraud
and it's a shame and can you imagine
where they say
uh you have to have your ballot in by
november 10th
november 10th that means that's seven
days
after the election in theory should have
been announced okay we have made your
states with that
sir all run by democrats it's two
minutes all run by democrats
president trump it's a rig you're going
to be able to continue
you have been charging for months that
mail-in balloting is going to be a
disaster you say it's rigged
that it's going to lead to fraud but in
2018
in the last midterm election 31 million
people
voted mail-in voting that was
a quarter more than a quarter of all the
voters that year cast their ballots by
mail
now that millions of mail-in ballots
have gone out
what are you going to do about it and
are you counting on the supreme court
including a justice barrett to settle
any dispute yeah i think i'm counting on
them to look at the ballots definitely i
don't think well i hope we don't need
them
in terms of the election itself but for
the ballots i think so
because what's happening is incredible i
just heard i read today where
at least one percent of the ballots for
2016
were invalidated they they take them we
don't like them we don't like them they
throw them out
there are millions of ballots going on
what you do is you go and vote you do a
solicited ballot no no that's okay i
know where you going
i'm asking you about the fact that
millions of people you go and vote
you go and vote like they used in the
millions of people you either do chris a
solicited ballot where you're sending it
in they're sending it back and you're
sending
they have mailman with lots of it did
you see what's going on take a look at
west virginia mailman selling the
ballots
they're being sold they're being dumped
in rivers this is a
horrible thing for our country there is
no this is not there is no
this is not going to end well okay this
is not
going to vice president obama five
states i've had my mailing ballots
for the last decade or more five
including two republican states
and you don't have to solicit the ballot
it's sent to you
it's sent to your home what we're saying
is they're saying is that has to be a
postmark
by the time by election day if it
doesn't get in until the
seventh eighth ninth it still should be
counted
he's just afraid of counting the votes
because you're wrong
i want to continue with you on this vice
president biden because he's so wrong
when he makes
excuse me vice president biden the
biggest problem in fact
over the years with mail-in voting has
not been fraud historically
it has been that sizable numbers
sometimes hundreds of thousands of
ballots are thrown out
because they have not been properly
filled out or there is some other
irregularity or they must be through
the deadline so the question i have is
are you concerned
that the supreme court with a justice
barrett will settle any dispute i'm
concerned that any court would settle
this because here's the deal
when you when you file when you get a
ballot
and you fill it out you're supposed to
have an affidavit if you didn't know you
have
someone say that this is me you should
be able to if in fact
you can verify that you when the before
the ballot is thrown out
that's sufficient to be able to count
the ballot because someone made a
mistake
and not dotting the correct eye who they
voted for
testify say who they voted for
say it's you that is totally legitimate
all right excited
i have a financial senator it's swamping
my system you you know it can't be done
you know it can't and already
in eight states we can keep talking it's
in eight states
election workers are prohibited
currently by law eight states
from even beginning to process ballots
even take them out of the envelopes and
flatten them until election day that
means that it's likely because there's
going to be a huge increase
in mail-in balloting that we are not
going to know
on election night who the winner is that
it could be days
it could be weeks until we find out who
the
the new president is so i first for you
sir
finally for the for the vice president i
hope neither of you will interrupt the
other
will you urge your supporters to stay
calm
during this extended period not to
engage in
any civil unrest and will you pledge
tonight that you will not declare
victory
until the election has been
independently certified president trump
thank you
for watching my supporters to go into
the polls and watch
very carefully because that's what has
to happen i
am urging them to do it as you know
today there was a big problem in
philadelphia they went in to watch they
were called poll watchers a very safe
very nice thing
they were thrown out they weren't
allowed to watch you know why
because bad things happen in
philadelphia bad things
and i am urging i am margin my people i
hope it's going to be a fair election if
it's a fair election
i am a hundred percent on board but if i
see tens of thousands of ballots being
manipulated
i can't go along with that and i'll tell
you what from a common sense does that
mean you're going to tell your other
people
it means you have a fraudulent election
you're sending out 80 million ballots
they're not equipped these people aren't
equipped to handle it
number one number two they cheat they
cheat
hey they found ballots in a waste paper
basket
three days ago and they all had the name
military ballots they were military
they all had the name trump on them vice
versa i think that's good
vice president biden final question for
you will you urge your supporters to
stay calm
while the vote is counted and will you
pledge not to declare victory until the
election is independently certified
yes and here's the deal when you count
the ballots as you pointed out
some of these ballots in some states
can't even be opened until election day
and if there's thousands of ballots
going to take time to do it and by the
way
our military they've been voting by
ballots
first since at the end of the civil war
enough in effect and that's
and that's what's happened going to
happen why was it not why is it for them
somehow
not fraudulent it's the same process
it's honest no one has established at
all
that there is fraud related to male
imbalance that somehow it's a fraudulent
process it's already been established
take a look at carolyn maloney's race
you had an opportunity
they have no idea why is president go
ahead he has no idea what he's talking
about here's the deal
the fact is i will accept it and he will
too you know why
because once the winner is declared
after all the all the ballots are
counted
all the votes are counted that'll be the
end of it that'll be the end of it
and if it's me in fact fine if it's not
me
i'll support the outcome and i'll be a
president not just for the
democrats i'll be a president for
democrats and republicans
and this guy i want to say honestly
gentlemen
would you say that's the end of this
this is the end of this debate this
ballot count
we're going to it there uh to be
continued
as in more debates as we go on uh
president trump
vice president biden it's been an
interesting hour and a half i want to
thank you both
for participating in the first of three
debates that you have agreed to engage
in we want to thank
case western reserve university and the
cleveland clinic for hosting this
event the next debate sponsored by the
commission on presidential debates
will be one week from tomorrow october
7th at the university of utah
in salt lake city the two vice
presidential nominees vice president
mike pence and senator kamala harris
will debate at 9pm eastern that night we
hope you watch
until then thank you and good
thank night
thank you
so
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greatest president of all time
you